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Washington Dispatch: Right wingers are claiming Democrats intend to knock Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity off the airwaves by reviving the Fairness Doctrine. Here's why that's hot air.

November 11, 2008


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Will the Obama administration force Rush Limbaugh off the air? Some conservative activists are claiming such a tragedy is nearly at hand, and they've been trying to whip up a frenzy. Limbaugh and his brethren believe Democrats are plotting a revival of the Fairness Doctrine, a controversial policy once enforced by the Federal Communications Commission to ensure broadcasters presented balanced views in their coverage of controversial subjects. While perhaps well intended, the Truman-era rule ultimately encouraged broadcasters to avoid touchy topics altogether, rather than seek out contrasting viewpoints. Many broadcast journalists saw the rule as a major violation of their free-speech rights. The FCC voted to abolish it in 1987. Democrats attempted to revive the rule, but President George H.W. Bush threatened to veto the legislation (as Ronald Reagan had in 1987), and those efforts failed. Since then, the Fairness Doctrine has largely been relegated to textbooks on media law—that is, until it was resurrected as the latest conservative bugaboo.

For the past year or so, some conservatives have been trying to convince their followers that congressional Democrats are dead set on bringing back the regulation as a way of silencing Limbaugh and other right-wing talking heads by requiring broadcasters to provide equal time to liberal shows. Conservatives assume that broadcasters would balk at any requirement to air liberal (and probably less profitable) content and would instead simply boot Limbaugh and find other ways to fill the time.

It’s true that some Democrats long for a return to the Fairness Doctrine—and they have played a part in fueling the conservative hysteria. In 2005, Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.) introduced legislation to bring back the doctrine. Conservatives dubbed the measure the "Hush Rush" bill. Then last year, Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) said publicly that he thought the Fairness Doctrine should be revived, and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), after noting that talk radio was overwhelmingly conservative, suggested that Congress hold hearings on the political imbalance. Such comments prompted the National Review to put a photo of Limbaugh gagged with duct tape on its cover. But Hinchey's bill went nowhere, Feinstein never held hearings, and the issue died down after President Bush in March threatened to veto any attempt to revive the Fairness Doctrine. But the election of Barack Obama has reignited conservative paranoia on the issue.

Writing on the National Review's website last week, Peter Kirsanow declared that "imposition of some form of the Fairness Doctrine likely will be one of the Democrats' agenda items for the first 100 days of the new administration...Waiting until Inauguration Day to get geared up is too late. By that time the Fairness Doctrine Express will be at full steam, wavering Democrats will be pressed to support the new Democratic president, weak-kneed Republicans will want to display comity, the mainstream media will not be saddened to see talk radio annihilated and much of the public will be too enraptured by Obama's Camelot inauguration to notice or care." The Center for Individual Freedom has been circulating a fund-raising alert headlined "Hannity and Limbaugh to be kicked off the air." And on Monday, the conservative website WorldNetDaily posted a story calling the presumed head of Obama's FCC transition team, former FCC commissioner Henry Rivera, "talk radio's executioner." (The story offers no evidence that Rivera supports a return to the Fairness Doctrine.)

Conservative talk-radio hosts love to position themselves as the victims of liberal media conspiracies, and the Fairness Doctrine gambit certainly fits the bill. But there is little substance behind the overheated rhetoric. Most Democrats have little interest in a big legislative fight over government regulation of the ever-shrinking sphere of broadcast media. And Obama has explicitly said he's not in favor of reviving the Fairness Doctrine. This summer his campaign issued an unequivocal statement on the subject: "Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters. He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible. That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets."

According to the Center for Individual Freedom, however, those are just "code words"—for what, it doesn't say. What the conservatives don't seem to get is that Obama is a new-media guy. The Fairness Doctrine was first created in 1949, at a time when very few people even had a TV. The rationale behind it, which made sense at one time, was that broadcast opportunities were minimal, and that the government had an obligation to ensure that the public was able to express and hear multiple viewpoints in those scarce venues. (A fundamental premise underlying the law was that broadcasters were using a public resource: the public airwaves.)

Today, though, technology has created an explosion of forums that have made broadcast media—the only media to which this arcane regulation would apply—less dominant in the face of cable, FiOS, satellite, and Internet platforms. Even if somehow Democrats succeeded in resurrecting the doctrine, it's unclear whether the courts would continue to uphold its application. In 1969, the Supreme Court ruled that the FCC had the power to enforce the doctrine, but that ruling specifically referenced the limited public broadcast spectrum. The court recognized the free-speech issues at stake, but expressed its desire to prevent a radio or TV station from monopolizing the public airwaves. The dramatic changes in the information landscape would give the current court many First Amendment grounds to reverse that decision.

Really, though, the conservative drumbeat over the Fairness Doctrine is much ado about nothing. It's fearmongering—which may be good for fund-raising. Conservatives claiming that the Obama administration will mean the death of right-wing radio seem to forget this fact: Limbaugh and other conservative talkers thrived during the Clinton years.

Stephanie Mencimer is a reporter in Mother Jones' Washington, DC, bureau and the author of Blocking the Courthouse Door: How the Republican Party and Its Corporate Allies Are Taking Away Your Right to Sue (Free Press, 2006).



 

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Wow, should I believe that Stephanie Mencimer (the author of a liberal right hating book) is going to cry one tear if conservative radio dies? I think not.

We have the next 4 years to listen to media like the ones below, with little to no challenges.


Jim Moran on Oct 31, 2008
D Rep Virginia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJyS1WJNisM

Obama Supporter – No worries about mortgage or gas. Nov 4, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

Posted by:mbNovember 11, 2008 1:49:27 PMRespond ^
Rush who? Hannity who?
Posted by:DanNovember 11, 2008 3:15:24 PMRespond ^
As a frequent listener of right wing radio (to check what hogwash they're feeding their listeners), it seemed this whole Fairness Doctrine line of talk started with a study that concluded that the re-regulation of media ownership rules would lead to voices from different point of view on the airwaves. While referring to this study, Hannity, seeming not to understand it or wanting to make it something his listeners could understand as possibly not being fair, turned it into the return of the Fairness Doctrine. I suspect that if the media ownership rules are changed, he would merely say it's a "backdoor" way of instituting the Fairness Doctrine. At any rate, in my little town, Fairbanks, Alaska, we have 3 AM stations: One ESPN and the other two spouting right wing talk all day long. Thankfully, we have the Internet.
Posted by:Pat FitzgeraldNovember 11, 2008 3:22:30 PMRespond ^
Look, I say we keep the fames flamed that Democrats are going to legislate the Fairness Doctrine into law now that we have a majority. I have spent the better part of 6 or 7 months seeing the right wing send all kinds of lte's to our paper whining about violation of free speech and to get some bill released from committe to legislate NO fairness doctrine before the end of this Congress.

It's funny that they are so worried about it. Please don't allay their fears. We need a little more reward for what we have been through the last 20 years. Let them stew in their own swill for a while longer.
Posted by:dww44November 11, 2008 3:24:00 PMRespond ^
mb, if you read the article or remember Obama's statements on this topic you would know that you can continue to listen to any broadcast drivel you like for the next 4 years and beyond. Limbaugh or Stern ... whatever your fancy. The Fairness Doctrine will NOT be revived, so you can put away that particular piece of irrational nonsense behind you and go to work on your next one.
Posted by:James ButlerNovember 11, 2008 3:28:54 PMRespond ^
I'm with Obama. No point today to the Fairness Doctrine. What is important is that the msm get off its false equivalency kick and begin to report and question, rather than mediate pro and con pundits. That means when self oriented bloviacs attempt to spread lies, the msm does its research and separates fact from fiction. That's what journalism is supposed to be about. When journalists become journalists again, instead of entertainment minded, ratings obsessed talking heads, right wing radio will see its impact greatly diminished.
Posted by:StellaRayNovember 11, 2008 3:30:08 PMRespond ^
The "Fairness Doctrine doesn't shut up conservative talkers like Elmer "Rush" Fudd, it just demands that their outlets also hire liberal talkers to present "life's other side", not at the same time or together. Just take the near monoploy of wealth over broadcasting and "regulate" the air waves rather than allow them to be freeways for the upper classes.
Posted by:Simply SimonNovember 11, 2008 3:30:12 PMRespond ^
Rush Limbaugh reminds me of the ol' 30's KKK inspired radio programs in the south.

Also, Rush is inpart responsible for convincing America to elect and re-elect GW Bush, and to support the illegal Iraq War. Rush's constant fear and hate mongering is raising an entire breed of mis-informed and mis-guided angry Americans.

Posted by:EnosNovember 11, 2008 3:37:26 PMRespond ^
Be Afraid, very afraid Hot Dog We are coming to get ya
Posted by:synchronicityNovember 11, 2008 3:38:46 PMRespond ^
The Fairness Doctrine controversy sounds like the "modem tax" that conservatives were claiming that the Clintons were about to implement all through the 90s. Funny thing is that we have to watch for this kind of regulation and censorship more during eras of Republican dominion.
Posted by:Joel SaxNovember 11, 2008 3:42:07 PMRespond ^
Who cares what Rush and/or the GOP think? They lost in a landslide and it's Obama who will be calling the shots! He will be fair as fair as possible with all news organizations. In other words, FOX News, expect to be called on last and very infrequently at daily news briefings! Karma is a mother....
Posted by:Greg285November 11, 2008 3:56:53 PMRespond ^
Rush is just an annoying fly that gets mindlessly swatted away now and then in the big picture.
Posted by:DebNovember 11, 2008 3:59:31 PMRespond ^
I was unaware of efforts to resurrect the fairness doctrine, but I support the idea.

Cognitive dissonance being what it is, it isn't enough to provide an opposing view elsewhere on the schedule or on the airwaves: there is ample evidence that a large percentage of the viewing/listening population gravitates to one-sided broadcasts that reinforce their already-held beliefs.

As it stands there is little opportunity for a meaningful on-air argument with these demagogues who rarely speak with their idealogical opposites and tend to engage in histrionics when they do. Heck, even Limbaugh's website (at least the non-fee-based side) has no facility for comments --it's as if he's so terrified that someone might actually point out the folly of his positions that he can't risk even the slightest chance of a discordant voice.

Let Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Savage, Olbermann, et al keep their shows, but insist on standards: no shouting over guests or turning off microphones, significant inclusion of opposing viewpoints, keeping stats on the number of minutes of opposing caller viewpoint aired per show.
Posted by:Joe C from AustinNovember 11, 2008 4:03:55 PMRespond ^
Aren't these the same conservatives that are trying to pass laws to have "Intellgent Design" be taught as an alternative to Evolution in schools? "Intelligent Design" has been rejected as nonsense by the scientific community, and this distinction has kept it out of the classroom.
Rush Limbaugh was happy to see the local government in Dover, PA try to force this rubbish on children as a counter to evolution. I'm sure he would be the first to throw a temper tantrum if the government tried to counter his views.
Posted by:WilliamPNovember 11, 2008 4:06:34 PMRespond ^
Rush Limbaugh's time in the sun has run out and he will find that he presides over a dwindling, aging and increasingly marginalized block of "Dittoheads" who will never change either theirs or the minds of others.
Maintain and defend our First Amendment rights; let all voices be heard.
Posted by:Thomas MeekNovember 11, 2008 4:08:57 PMRespond ^
Limbaugh is an pompass ass that preaches to the chior,never & takes a call from someone who does not walk in lockstep with him. I tried but I can only tolerate him for about five minutes before the bitter taste of bile starts rising in my throat.
Posted by:lesmastersNovember 11, 2008 4:09:51 PMRespond ^
As time goes on, and America becomes aware that Obama is not just another phony politician, Brash Brainless will become a moot exclamation in life...
Posted by:MarysdudeNovember 11, 2008 4:12:25 PMRespond ^
Fine, if they're so worried about it, why don't Dems graciously retract their Fairness Doctrine conspiracy to eliminate Rush, and in return the minority party can let them have universal health care, an end to the war, and global warming action.
Posted by:TQNovember 11, 2008 4:13:13 PMRespond ^
we dont need the fairness doctrine. we just need these cowards like limbaugh to be challenged to come from behind that microphone and debate thats all . when limbaugh does appear he goes on fox only . if his views are so real and right challenge him. i would love to see him against bob bekel. i would love to see olberman against orielly. LIMBAUGH IS A COWARD !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by:reginald smithNovember 11, 2008 4:14:50 PMRespond ^
The so-called Fairness Doctrine is really a rule about critical thinking, something that should be taught in schools--but isn't. At any rate, enforcing critical thinking on the airwaves is the wrong way to go. We need to hear the authentic voices of extremism, if only to keep ourselves informed. As for Rush, why would one want to silence the greatest comedian alive? He mixes a bit of sincerity, a bit of jargon, a bit of jingoism, a bit of nonsense--and we have authentic right-wing thinking. No, what we need is not a fairness doctrine, but a truth doctrine--that whatever is said in the air should be true, not imagined, not distorted; we need an ethics of the airwaves, with people held accountable for telling lies or distorting the truth for partisan effect. A truth doctrine would shut Rush up in five seconds.
Posted by:DayahkaNovember 11, 2008 4:17:19 PMRespond ^
The Fairness Doctrine was instituted as a protection of the public airways. It was undone in the Reagan administration because the neo-cons saw the value in a one sided presentation of their propaganda. The Republicans do not want it and seem outraged by the possibility of its return. Well, if the Republicans don't want it to return, it has to be a good thing for the public, right?
Posted by:Mike LoweryNovember 11, 2008 4:19:50 PMRespond ^
Sounds good to me. Our area's conservative radio station here in the Twin Cities (100.3), which airs Rush and Hannity, was nothing more than an around the clock ad for McCain from September right up until election day. This after being a huge McCain critic for much of the first six months of the year.
Posted by:FrankiestageNovember 11, 2008 4:26:38 PMRespond ^
i agree with stellaray . if the msm calls out the lies on these right wing nuts with proof all this lying will stop. see it is hard to get through to rush because he preaches his hate and lies for 2 hours and 5 0 minutes and then he says he puts liberals up front on the calls which is a lie and if a liberal gets through when he shows rush is lying the music comes on and rush cuts him off and they go to a commercial. thats coward . and the msm will not report when a talk show hosts lie .
Posted by:REGINALD SMITHNovember 11, 2008 4:43:11 PMRespond ^
Mr. Limbaugh will undoubtedly receive higher ratings with Obama in the White House. He should be thanking Obama for winning. It seemed as though the poor man had a tough time scrounging up talking points for the last 8 years - couldn't talk about how popular Bush and Cheney were becoming. The Ditto Heads were probably starved for some good sleaze.

It's sad that Mr. Limbaugh doesn't realize how he divides the country with his rhetoric. On the other hand, he gets paid well enough to drink $500 bottles of wine and smoke premium cigars in his Florida mansion so I wonder if maybe he just doesn't give a damn?

As for Hannity, O'Rielly, Drudge, Coulter and rest of that gang - they're going to have to re-invent themselves - not unlike the Republican party itself. What do they stand for? Does anyone know at this point?

Restoring the Fairness Doctrine won't stop the right wing propaganda machine. The "Fair & Balanced" channel is a perfect example of why not...

Posted by:Duncan BruceNovember 11, 2008 4:48:38 PMRespond ^
Hear, hear, and amen.
Posted by:TerrapinNovember 11, 2008 4:56:27 PMRespond ^
What I think is a situation that needs to be corrected is the imbalance on Armed Forces Radio. You can hear Rush all the live-long day there, but not even hear a moderate like Ed Schultz.

This is tax-payer funded radio, after all. I hate that the troops are being propagandized with Rush's claptrap.
Posted by:ChickieBlueNovember 11, 2008 5:04:06 PMRespond ^
Believe in free speech but not speech that incites. He should be taken off the air. He's over opinionated, supposed recovered drug addict (HA) and in general a pain in the A**. If he's taken off air it couldn't happen to a better guy. Probably strengthen the Republican Party.


Posted by:KeyinfoNovember 11, 2008 5:04:36 PMRespond ^
In a wider perspective Obama and Fairness Doctrine don't make any sense: I don't think he'd spend much on anything that'd js last until the next majority and president shift. What for?
Posted by:MoritzNovember 11, 2008 5:06:47 PMRespond ^
Please...if Limbaugh were a non-entity or coward, or whatever other label this blog wants to affix to him and did not make money for the company he represents, he would cease to exist. Limbaugh and his ilk are the polar opposite of sites such as this one. Is MJ beyond reproach? NO! MJ sports an agenda as does Limbaugh. Don't like it? Turn him off.

Two other points; IF the mainstream media (MSM) would do its job of reporting the news in other than a sycophantic nature, again maybe, right wing radio would go away. Reference the coming of Obama as the second Camelot. the man hasn't even warmed the seat in the Oval Office yet.

Second point; Jeff Bingaman, (Dem NM) stated publicly on a local afternoon radio show that he would love to see the Fairness Doctrine re-instated. Fuel to the fire one might say. Was this not included in this article, but why?

Lastly tell me who is served by a sycophant reporter delving deep into the Obama agenda of what kind of dog they will get for their two girls? (OK, let's go, pile on the "constructive" responses.)

All this and Al Franken was never mentioned. Man!
Posted by:JimmyNovember 11, 2008 5:21:54 PMRespond ^
On occasion, I have heard Rush. The callers he gets, it seems to me, are generally quite on the low end of education and intellect. Does he mainly appeal well to such an audience?
Posted by:ACNovember 11, 2008 5:35:43 PMRespond ^
Darn . . . someone needs to silence the 2 of them. A gag and a roll of duct tape . . . please!!!!
Posted by:zonafan51November 11, 2008 5:43:04 PMRespond ^
As much as I would like to see the Hannity's and Limbaugh's rhetoric of hate and paranoia off the air and their redneck audience listening a classical music or AirAmerica, Obama is too much of a pragmatic. Economy first and let the dogs bark and caravans pass.
Posted by:druidNovember 11, 2008 5:43:57 PMRespond ^
Why can't everyone quit buying products
advertised on right wing propganda radio???
Posted by:NoWayNovember 11, 2008 5:44:37 PMRespond ^
Rush Limbaugh is paranoid. I know that's a mean thing to say, but seriously, he's either still doing drugs or he has effed up his head from doing so many drugs in the past. He's a man living in a state of paranoia with the airwaves at his fingertips. Spreading his paranoia to his listeners who are, more than likely, under educated, back woods, knuckle draggers.
Posted by:SherryNovember 11, 2008 5:46:30 PMRespond ^
I grow bored with conservatives preemptively claiming victimhood at the hands of those far more tollerant than themselves. Even many conservatives weary the whining crybabies of right wing talk radio and TV anticipating future abuse of their rights. Well, we're all waiting for evidence.....
-And we will continue to wait....
-And if it happens we will speak out against their right to spew venom and innuendo disguised as journalism. In the meantime, can y'all talk about something other than yourselves? Sorry Rush, sorry Sean, but you guys and your breathlessly anticipated stigmata are just not that interesting.
Posted by:Larry L.November 11, 2008 5:48:40 PMRespond ^
I say enact the fairness doctrine for talk radio....And then enforce FAIRNESS in all journalism, newspapers, and network news broadcasts (the network tv stations use our public airwaves.) Let's make sure Katie Couric and Brian Williams give as much conservative viewpoint as their liberal. Let's get a fair shake at BOTH sides being represented on all the left wing media. Liberals want equality and fairness for all, let's see how they would feel about our "fairness" in journalism in this country!
Posted by:JoeyNovember 11, 2008 6:06:57 PMRespond ^
The operative phrase is that these are supposed to be "public airwaves".

Yet these are not nor have ever been the public's. They have increasingly been leaveed (owned) by fewer and larger media corporations; which are increasingly right-wing and fundamentally conservative.

If right-wing radio was just discussing public issues with a conservative slant, then I doubt if there would be the outcry from those whose viewpoints haven't been heard on those same airwaves since the Fairness Doctrine died.

But increasingly, right-wing radio has been filled with nothing more than hate-filled invective designed to inflame and incite. In the meantime, this hate speech is ALL that is heard by millions of listeners because of the very lack of balancing views the Fairness Doctrine was designed to prevent.

Bring back the Fairness Doctrine and let Rush and Sean fend for themselves in the forum of truly public airwaves. And if the corporations that lease the public airwaves decide that the millions of listeners who flock to these professional hate-mongers will leave because they might actually have to listen to balancing opinions, then I guess that's what capitalism is all about, right?

This certainly couldn't be worse than the one-sided hate-strewn garbage that isfilling the airwaves right now.
Posted by:MikeLNovember 11, 2008 6:12:54 PMRespond ^
i think the only thing that would keep Rush from talking is a fully loaded pizza and some oxy-contin
Posted by:BmantraNovember 11, 2008 6:18:31 PMRespond ^
Rush caters to the "joe the dumber" crowd. Maybe with better education and fairer healthcare under Obama, they'll get an iq up like the hispanics did when that BO ad called out Rush on his hate-bigotry and secured the majority of their vote. Perhaps then these low-info voters will finger Rush for the bstrd he really is.
Posted by:mrfrogzNovember 11, 2008 6:31:01 PMRespond ^
Let the idiots revel in their own hatred. It seems to me they can't even stand themselves. I can see Rush dipping back into his meds sometime soon! His boyfriend Hannity es un pendejo!
Posted by:MargardnerNovember 11, 2008 6:33:15 PMRespond ^
Gee, does ANYONE still care about what a drug-addled windbag like Rush Limbaugh thinks?! Yikes.
Posted by:scruffyandspunkyNovember 11, 2008 6:48:41 PMRespond ^
Don't kid yourself the Republicans fear the Fairness Doctrine more than anything else. That's why they're talking about it constantly now. They know that if they lose their monopoly over the media then their fascist ways will have to end.
Posted by:chazNovember 11, 2008 6:52:11 PMRespond ^
"Really, though, the conservative drumbeat over the Fairness Doctrine is much ado about nothing. It's fearmongering"

well.. that;s all the hard right know how to approach things. look at their entire string of campaigns over the last several years.

if you don't agree with us, we say the other side will be the death of us all! that is their one and only response... and it's making a horrible atmosphere for moderate conservatives.

personally, i hope they keep it up. people are paying attention. let limbaugh and hannity keep spouting hate and intolerance. more and more people are becoming tired of it. when they lose their audience, they will fade away to obscurity, as they well deserve.
Posted by:foomonkeyNovember 11, 2008 7:02:50 PMRespond ^
Rush Limbug is an anti-American hate monger, but I believe in the 1st Amendment and would not even in my dreams take away his right to spew his hate America [deleted]. Apparently, he doesn't have that much effect anyway - didn't he just lose this past election? The people don't want his crap anymore. Well, his fellow hate-America types do, but they're losing grip. Time for them to get on Viagra, because this is all about penis power, and theirs are flagging.
Posted by:Oval NowhereNovember 11, 2008 7:33:03 PMRespond ^
Rush Limbug is an anti-American hate monger, but I believe in the 1st Amendment and would not even in my dreams take away his right to spew his hate America [deleted]. Apparently, he doesn't have that much effect anyway - didn't he just lose this past election? The people don't want his crap anymore. Well, his fellow hate-America types do, but they're losing grip. Time for them to get on Viagra, because this is all about penis power, and theirs are flagging.
Posted by:Oval NowhereNovember 11, 2008 7:33:03 PMRespond ^
I heard some of this uproar over the Fairness Doctrine, so I decided to do some reading about it. Just as I thought, there's nothing true about Obama wanting to reinstate it. This is just an opportunity for Rush and Hannity to rail against the Liberals wanting to silence them, but they're going to fight against them til the bitter end! It's just to make them look good and look like they're being threatened. 90% of their listeners won't do any research on it, they'll just parrot what they heard. They'll cheer when the conservatives 'win' the fight, thinking they must have shown them hypocritical liberals. Pathetic, and pretty disgusting.
Posted by:HeatherNovember 11, 2008 7:38:28 PMRespond ^
Some of the things said on certain channels are slanderous and should be prosecuted, lies should not be allowed, they are not fair comment and impinge on the rights of others, the fairness doctrine sounds good to me.
Posted by:e foretNovember 11, 2008 7:38:35 PMRespond ^
an article in the telegraph last week that the secret service said that the rush limbaugh type rhetorich that sarah palin was preching at her rallies were inciting white supremisist groups to rise up against obama . not a work in the main stream media . that will be the happening for the next 8 years that why rush must be countered . i dont want him silenced just called out on what he is doing. fair and balanced
Posted by:REGINALD SMITHNovember 11, 2008 7:46:24 PMRespond ^
sorry for my spelling it late ha ha ha ha i meant not a word from the media they are too worried about something stupid like 150 k of clothing and lipstick on a pig
Posted by:REGINALD SMITHNovember 11, 2008 7:50:02 PMRespond ^
Some would call Hannity and Rush entertainers. I beg to differ. There are a whole lot of people that take that BS as gospel.jp
Posted by:jimmyp38November 11, 2008 7:50:16 PMRespond ^
Whilst I disagree with the tone and demagoguery on far-left radio, I truly don't believe an enforced 'fairness doctrine' nor any rules limiting their presentation should be introduced. I see it as a notch in freedom of speech.

If the left cannot muster a cadre of listeners to their radio offerings, I think it's not because their message is weak. I think it more likely that we have retreated to a media not yet utilized to its full extent by the right...the internet and the blogosphere.

So let um preach over AM... I like my news on broadband!
Posted by:EdgedInBlueNovember 11, 2008 7:55:19 PMRespond ^
Summary: On The War Room with Quinn & Rose, Jim Quinn said: "You know, if you were a slave in the old South, what did you get as a slave? You got free room and board, you got free money, and you got rewarded for having children because that was just, you know, tomorrow's slave. ... Can I ask a question? How's that different from welfare? You get a free house, you get free food, and you get rewarded for having children. Oh, wait a minute, hold on a second. There is a difference: The slave had to work for it."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200811060012 (Text)
http://crooksandliars.com/david-nei wert/wingnut-revisionism-oh-ole-time-slav (Video)
Posted by:ccw4me2November 11, 2008 8:04:49 PMRespond ^
Why would President-Elect Obama attempt to silence Rush and Sean? Their mere stupidity provides all the reason to allow them to attempt to legitmize their feeble existance and only continues to marginalize themselves further. The pleasant fact that Mr. Obama will be in the White House and not Mr. McCain is proof enough that they're preaching to their ever shrinking choir.
Posted by:Marcus BonnerNovember 11, 2008 8:05:31 PMRespond ^
I think it would be a public service if these two jerks were gone! Maybe if people actually stopped watching and listening to their stupid and hateful rhetoric they would have to go away! Unfortunately the ignorant mccain/palin supporters aren't smart enough and this is their source of (faux) news!
Posted by:suzykuNovember 11, 2008 9:28:01 PMRespond ^
The good news is, talk radio is moot:
http://think4urself.wordpress.com/
Posted by:think4urselfNovember 11, 2008 9:38:00 PMRespond ^
- "Rush Limbaugh reminds me of the ol' 30's KKK inspired radio programs in the south."

- "Fairness Doctrine doesn't shut up conservative talkers like Elmer "Rush" Fudd"

- Limbaugh is an pompass ass that preaches to the chior,never & takes a call from someone who does not walk in lockstep with him.

- LIMBAUGH IS A COWARD !!!!!!!!!!!

- I hate that the troops are being propagandized with Rush's claptrap.

- The callers he gets, it seems to me, are generally quite on the low end of education and intellect.

- Darn . . . someone needs to silence the 2 of them. A gag and a roll of duct tape . . . please!!!!

- Spreading his paranoia to his listeners who are, more than likely, under educated, back woods, knuckle draggers.

- Unfortunately the ignorant mccain/palin supporters aren't smart enough and this is their source of (faux) news!

The left is sooooo intelligent. The combined intelligence of the posters of this site is but... underwhelming! And it is said that it is the right-wing that are supposed to be the hate mongers.
Posted by:JimmyNovember 11, 2008 10:35:55 PMRespond ^
I'm no fan of the name-calling, half-truth, shrill and insulting ultra right wing radio shows. However, I'm strong on allowing them to have their say without watering down the subject matter. Plus, listening to these folks gives me a big laugh for the day. I don't think they believe anything they say. It's all showbiz.
Posted by:Geri SpielerNovember 11, 2008 11:17:09 PMRespond ^
The Fairness Doctrine should be revived if for no other reason that it would be a kick to the teeth of the right-wing traitors. Kick them when they're down. Toss them an anchor. Drive a stake in their treachery while the opportunity exists.
Posted by:EdCNovember 11, 2008 11:48:53 PMRespond ^
Part of being a Democracy is to allow various opinions. But lack of education unfortunately makes too many people actually BELIEVE some of this nonsense. And it sure makes a lot of money for the sponsors. I grew up with Paul Harvey, but he ain't nothing compared to what's out there now.
Posted by:RonNovember 11, 2008 11:49:07 PMRespond ^
I would like to see some facts in their reporting - not just bs drivel that the listeners just completely accept without any thinking involved. I think that goes to the common sense factor that is missing from anyone who just accepts things at face value - no questions asked.
Posted by:GloriaNovember 12, 2008 12:20:06 AMRespond ^
rant radio is comedy. its content is not truth. not something people rely on.
Posted by:toneyNovember 12, 2008 12:25:01 AMRespond ^
Response to StellaRay.
I think your analogy is spot on.
Thanks for spreading your educated thoughts.
Posted by:DebNovember 12, 2008 2:18:49 AMRespond ^
I'm kind of against the 'fairness doctrine'. I think our governmental processes get subjected to ENOUGH doctrinal folderol as it is, and don't focus nearly as much/as well on reflecting the will of the People.
Free speech is just that, free, open, unfettered, you can say what you want to. And, OTHER people get to say what they want to as WELL, which is probably the best Limbaugh antidote you can think of, because, at the end of the day, if you audit Limbaugh's material on a semi-regular basis, a lot of it boils down to GOP rhetorical boilerplate, which can be cut to ribbons with well-researched counterarguments, which are a very positive utilization of one's free speech. Debate. It's what makes life a little more interesting. Further, Limbaugh's going to have to shift into rhetorical overdrive, now that the democrats represent a majority in the House, Senate, as well as being ready to move into the White House in January. So, the pressure's on them to be the Shell Answer-types, as well as on Limbaugh to try and catch them out.
I kind of think of Limbaugh as part of the loyal opposition, anyway. We only do our best work in the face of our critics, and criticism is something that Limbaugh has in spades. Which is one of the reasons I try NOT to listen to him, because there also comes a point of diminishing returns with all of that, when there's a lot of political infighting, there isn't much focus on doing very VERY positive things, one f'rinstance being the energy independence initiative. Were Limbaugh to relocate his pontificatory pulpit to the general vicinity of a windmill, and have Ted Kennedy as his co-host, then between em they could create a hot air current likely sufficient to power several hundred american homes, instead of poor Rush wasting all that renewable energy trying to sell people orange juice, insurance, and appliances that'll ultimately just drive up their monthly expenses.

DNC/GOP is at least partly a straw man contest. Everyone's trying to burn each other in effigy, so to speak, and when they're all done, the amount of money expended on political pursuits these days would probably serve equally well, if not moreso, in the financing of an honest-to-gosh moon base, or some other structure that would much better serve as a tangible and lasting representation of true american potential. We 'can do'. When we put our minds to it. When we waste all that energy with the in-fighting, that's when we lose BIG. That's my view.
Posted by:BertNovember 12, 2008 3:40:51 AMRespond ^
The right's talk radio disinformation juggernaut may be the worst in world history. It is directly responsible for the takeover and wrecking of the government by rightist tricksters and their legion of redneck dupes. But the Fairness Doctrine is only a red herring. Why not instead appoint FCC commissioners who won't approve license renewals without balanced programming plans. The airwaves are owned by the public, after all.
Posted by:gregrockerNovember 12, 2008 4:15:27 AMRespond ^
I AGREE- RUSH WHO?, HANNITY WHO?, MEGAN KELLY WHO??
ALOT OF HOT AIR.
Posted by:chris hartridgeNovember 12, 2008 4:53:13 AMRespond ^
Well since Faux News is constantly beating up the so called Liberal Media for unfair positive coverage of Barack Obama...I think it would be a good idea to bring the fairness doctrine back to help the conservatives. I also hope that Rushy poo realizes that Barack Obama is not Bill Clinton...He has nothing to hide and I think if he slanders him or incites violence against him that Rush will find himself in a world of figurative hurt!!!
Posted by:BeckyNovember 12, 2008 5:04:22 AMRespond ^
Republican party will be viable ONLY when people stop listening to Limbaugh and Hannity.
Posted by:vpNovember 12, 2008 5:15:22 AMRespond ^
Let them speak. The more they say, the more they alienate the voters that just elected President-elect Obama. At the rate right-wingers like Limbaugh are going, Democrats will continue to be chosen by voters for a long time.
Posted by:Vgirl1November 12, 2008 5:27:45 AMRespond ^
They should control more the way that alternative voices are villified and orchestrated and told to 'get off the air you big dope'?
Posted by:Patrick LockyerNovember 12, 2008 5:40:16 AMRespond ^
This is just another example of the new phenomenon "right-wing hysteria". Its rather ridiculous and very chicken little-ish. The sky is not falling and President-Elect Obama would hardly allow something like this to gain any significant steam. As opposed to the silencing/scientific fact altering administration we've experienced, we are NOT afraid of dissenting opinion. That's exactly what democracy is about. Fear never enters the equation.
Posted by:Rosa from OhioNovember 12, 2008 5:40:45 AMRespond ^
Are you kidding me? The right is the place to be to have "cookie cutter ideas" and squelch voices with independent thoughts.
Posted by:MaryNovember 12, 2008 6:29:54 AMRespond ^
The other day MSNBC had Peter Fenn and Pat Buchanan on. One argued that the country was "strongly center right" while the other claimed the country was "solidly center right".

Yes, eliminating the Fairness Doctrine certainly helped the networks present us with a wealth of diverse, contrasting opinions!
Posted by:BBHYNovember 12, 2008 6:35:37 AMRespond ^
Leave the right wing to the loonies. It is just one more way the Dittoheads et al are choosing to marginalize themselves.

I would be willing to bet that ninety percent of the pols the wingers elect spend more time listening to NPR than Rush and all his wannabees put together. They will tell their voters otherwise to get elected, but I have never met a well-educated Republican who actually believes that drivel. They may be hypocrites, but they aren't idiots.
Posted by:PoggeNovember 12, 2008 7:22:30 AMRespond ^
The FCC has held public hearings all over the country -- the public in attendence overwhelmingly wants the fairness doctrine or something similar reinstated.
A consolidated media doesn't serve the public well( AND DOESN'T THINK IT HAS TO),particularly in local emergencies.

When news and programming is" canned" and shipped in from elsewhere it's impossible to adjust to accommodate local needs such as weather emergencies.( THINK KATRINA). When we experience one of those recently here, there were NO local stations left, There was no way to easily access the news and we were left" in the dark" and uninformed.
That does need to change, and frankly I don't care if the right is having a coronary about it.

Like everything else, they are mis-characterizing the "evilness" of Fairness Doctrine. It gave the term" Fair and Balanced" substance and meaning .The right made the term "fair and balanced" into a mockery THAT WAS ANYTHING but FAIR OR BALANCED.

Their so called facts should NOT be allowed to stand on their own. It doesn't serve the public well.It paved the way for minority rule. And we have seen the results in violations all over the place of free speech, free press and the constitution. They have done MORE harm them ANYONE to free speech!!!They have created a whole generation of ditto heads incapable of independent thought.

The sooner the public gets their airways back, the better . Let's see if they can compete when their facts need to see and be exposed in the light of day.

The right isn't interested in free speech. They're interested in "their speech" only . They don't know what fair and balanced is and are scared to death their base might find out what it REALLY is and they have been LYING to them all along.

Those who didn't live under the fairness doctrine( those under 25) haven't a clue what REAL journalism or REAL news is. The right has reduced "news" to entertainment that promotes very unamerican "ideals" like hate, and bisas.
Reinstate The fairness doctrine the sooner the better. DAY OONE.
It IS about FREE speech NOT "THEIR "speech.It is about protecting FREE SPEECH We haven't had it and it's time that we did.
We haven' had freedom of speech ( they've tapped our phone lines) or freedom of the press for 20 years.

Don't coddle them or their fear.They need to know this party is OVER and there is a NEW america dawning. One we HAD ,once before. Fair and balance IS an American value and O"reilly didn't bring it to us. He and his like destroyed it.
There is a whole generation that knows nothing BUT right wing hate talk. Time for them to see what REAL news, REAL Journalism,, REAL Freedom of speech and REAL fair and balanced is. Don't coddle them because they are scared. We won they need to get over it We didn't win to hand their agenda back to them.

TOO bad they are scared...TOO bad rush might loose his job. Couldn't come soon enough. HE doesn't respect Free speech, he doesn't allow ayone who disagrees with him in the air. Don't buy their own created myth of fair and balanced. TIME to promote free speech for a change. The emperor has No clothes.
Posted by:frankNovember 12, 2008 7:52:38 AMRespond ^
Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, et.al., are crapping in the public pool -- much of their bloviation approaches yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater --
Posted by:tenstringNovember 12, 2008 8:00:43 AMRespond ^
Media consolidation is the bigger problem here. Break up Clear Channel! That would be a good start.
Posted by:keithNovember 12, 2008 8:06:53 AMRespond ^
There is a move to get the loudmouth conservatives off the air. It's called competition and it works by laughter. I love watching Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. I guess The Daily Show and The Colbert Report aren't considered news, but making fun of right wing wackos is very enjoyable and neutralizes their message by showing how silly it is.
Posted by:lonecroneNovember 12, 2008 8:14:29 AMRespond ^
I guess they didn't notice that the election says we are firmly center left by a landslide.
Posted by:lonecroneNovember 12, 2008 8:17:57 AMRespond ^
The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that required the holders of broadcast licenses to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced.

So, when is disseminated information regarding controversial issues honest and when is it brainwashing propoganda? When I listen to Rush, I get one side, when I read Mother Jones, I get another side. Either way, no thinking required, they both do it for you.

But when I read an unbiased format, such as Wikipedia, then I am required to think. Good thing I like to think.
Posted by:RaulNovember 12, 2008 8:41:43 AMRespond ^
It's just a matter of being fair and not just full of themselves. Sean Hannity and Rush are mongers determined for people to agree with them. They do not do or say what is best for the people. Wouldn't it be nice if they at least tryed to have the country come together. There will always be different views - but with all that this country has wouldn't it be nice to get rid of the wind bags. And I am not even a Democrat. I am for the person, period.
Posted by:LynnNovember 12, 2008 8:46:02 AMRespond ^
Hannity and Rush are both college dropouts whom are sell out to the repugs, they rather see the country go down than having any democrats win the white house...they are a bunch or ignorant sore losers
Posted by:CCNovember 12, 2008 9:39:18 AMRespond ^
The fairness doctrine lies in the mind of the listener. Hopefully (?) with a new administration and a new feeling in the Country people will begin to listen with their brain and not their emotional stomach.

If we will apply the same simple standard of truth and accuracy to the politicians and political commentators as we do to our business dealings, to our friends, and preach to our kids we will do fine.
Posted by:Hawaiian styleNovember 12, 2008 11:05:21 AMRespond ^
We've got NPR and they've got AM radio.

They've got Drudge and we have Daily Kos.

We've got MoJones, they've got AmSpec.

They've got Hannity and O'Reilly, we've got Olbermann and Maddow.

Sounds fair to me.

I'm against the Fairness Doctrine, against the regulation of the exchange/babble of ideas of any sort, so long as it doesn't incite violence.

Besides, who gets to decide whether a given point of view is coming from one side or another? Is my skin blue or something?

What if the Leninists disagree with the Trotskyists? Does Rush get to weigh in?

It's gotta be someone's call on what's controversial, and in what direction on the one-dimensional line segment we call the political spectrum. Who's that going to be?

I think that part of free speech is the freedom to spout forth any opinion you want, without fear of recrimination, or a need to tell the other guy's side of the story.

Today's media has something for everyone, and is freer than at any time in history. Leave it be.
Posted by:Some bodyNovember 12, 2008 11:34:51 AMRespond ^
ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and FOX have a tremendous power over many citizens. They sold us a war in Iraq based upon lies. 86% of the world would have voted for Obama on Nov. 4th, but only 53% of the US; again, the result of fear mongering based on lies propagated by TV and radio.
I'd be happy if they covered no news instead of dishing out propaganda. Then people would turn to the written media or to C-Span, NPR or PBS and actually discover the truth.

By the way, I believe that we should start a class action lawsuit against the above TV corporations for selling us a war based on lies.
Posted by:debNovember 12, 2008 12:48:23 PMRespond ^
The southern states that over whelmingly voted for McCain are the areas with the lowest percentage of high school and college graduates. There's a smaller then average number of homes that have computors. These peoples' only source for political news is whatever stations their tv or radio can pick up on the antenna. Their idea of balenced news is switching the radio between Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter.
Posted by:SteveNovember 12, 2008 1:11:56 PMRespond ^
My impression of the "Fairness Doctrine" dates back to the Thirties, Forties and Fiftees. My recollection of the Doctrine was to insure that Broadcasters didn't violate the precieved notion that the airwaves not be exploited by commercial broadcast, obscenities, and propaganda. Public service announcements and time, weather and station identification were required to be recorded and made a part of the licencing requirements for broadcasters to use the public domain of radio air waves. These logs were to be made avaiable for public commonet and review. It wasn't until Corporate interests bought legislation that provided advertisers the bounty of conspicuous consumption. Our present econonomic situation is one of the most obvious results of this pubic robbery.
Posted by:David WolterNovember 12, 2008 1:35:30 PMRespond ^
Please bring back the fairness doctorine,someone ask Rush & Hannity
whats wrong with being FAIR?and for Rush to be broadcasting to our troops
is so hearbreaking! I feel so bad for the blacks troops that are constantly being race baited by that fool!
Posted by:redeemerNovember 12, 2008 1:57:18 PMRespond ^
Conservative thought vs vicious slander and inciting potential violence and complete brainwashing. The right wing all say the same buzz words, day after day, and the public are brainwashed.

Since when does someone viciously screaming "they are vermin they are evil" constitute conservatism? I welcome honest conservative talk show hosts giving their opinions.
What Rush, Hannity, Savage, Rusty and the others spew has nothing to do with conservatism and everything to do with outrageous lies,skin crawling mind numbing hate mongering.

Obama is not a marxist, or a terrorist, but if you listen to these guys years after year, you will get nothing but these lies.

Fairness? How about having the right to sue and FINE them if they intentionally spread proven lies and slander.

Opinion is one thing, but radio shows of Hitler and Rawanda like hate propaganda calling people vermin have serious consequences.
Somehow it needs to be monitored.
Posted by:jsNovember 12, 2008 6:43:43 PMRespond ^
I find it very convenient that the so-called Fairness Doctrine exempts public funded stations such as PBS and NPR from its provisions. Not that they ever present any issue deemed to be controversial.
Posted by:Adam SmithNovember 12, 2008 6:49:03 PMRespond ^
Somebody..
if you listen to the majority of liberal radio, you will hear policy discussion with liberal slant but not slanderous name calling.
I do not believe there is any liberal media, that relies on intentionally placed bold faced lies and RNC coordinated propaganda. Or am I missing something.
Posted by:jsNovember 12, 2008 7:03:28 PMRespond ^
How about this: Every time one of these ill informed blowhards says something demonstrably untrue on the air, their corporate owners tax rate doubles.

Problem solved. Permanently.
Posted by:Michael WilliamsNovember 12, 2008 9:37:45 PMRespond ^
Hush Rush my foot-there are two reasons that Democrats cannot do this-The first is that Rush actually helped Obama's Democratic Primary Campaign with his Chaos Plan that backfired on him and the Dems owe him their thanks for an historic election. The second reason is the safety of the planet-If the vent holes on a Volcano are plugged, it will blow up and cause tremendous damage includung the release of large volumes of extremely hot air-have mercy!
Posted by:Mr IndependentNovember 13, 2008 5:52:29 AMRespond ^
I too think the Fairness Doctrine should be revived. I live in S.W Missouri and the A.M. dial on the radio is filled with nothing but these racist hate mongers like Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly. Getting rid of it was one of the best things Clinton gave them.

I recently read an article that newspapers are closing down in record numbers, seems their right leaning articles don't bring profit like it does to radio.

I also take exception with Stephanie Mencimer that liberal radio doesn't make profits. While that statement is party true it's also true of conservative radio as well. Clear channel is paying millions to Limbaugh yet they posted a huge loss this year.

It's my opinion that radio and newspapers are seeing huge losses because they are too conservative bias and maybe if they were more bi-partisan they might start making a profit.

Bi-Partisanship: I'll hug your elephant if you kiss my *ss. :)
Posted by:blueinmoNovember 13, 2008 6:08:56 AMRespond ^
She forgot to mention that the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, would like to bridng back the Un Fairness Doctrine. Plus the only reason it faild to pass before was Republican Presidents. Now we have a Liberal Democrate as President and both the Speaker and Majority Leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, would like it to be reenacted. The fear is not baseless.
Posted by:James TomeyNovember 13, 2008 6:26:02 AMRespond ^
Let the republican neanderthals have their AM radio.I can listen to Stephanie, Tom, Ed, Rhandi,Rachel, and Ron everyday and they make alot more sense than Rush Windbag.This issue just gives the right wing liars something to talk about.
Posted by:gericaultNovember 13, 2008 7:29:27 AMRespond ^
As an engineer with empirical standards the legacy media measures as irrational. Is it rational to require a station hosting an entertainment figure like Rush to include a nut case like Dan Rather? Stossel is the last outpost of the sane mind as you move left.
Posted by:AvitarNovember 13, 2008 8:12:48 AMRespond ^
The MSM has been divorsed from reality since the Taft admiinstration a hundred years ago. They are no more going to report on the facts than they reported on Roosevelt's wheel chair.
Posted by:AvitarNovember 13, 2008 8:16:55 AMRespond ^
You should see the the liberal arms lockers that the NEA has. Dozens of guns for each member. Of Course if my mother wasn't a Gore I would never have seen the weapon magazines either. But be warned a dozen liberals with a hundred rifles doesn't equal one conservitive with one rifle. Coonservative gun control is knowing how to shoot!
Posted by:AvitarNovember 13, 2008 8:24:58 AMRespond ^
The fairness doctrine is as bogus as a three dollar bill. The current state of talk radio is as it is because the people want the type of programming that airs. If the people wanted to hear the other side, leftist propaganda ala the MSM would be just as widespread as the current talk show hosts. Air America is a perfect example. It failed because the People, those in whom sovereignty lies, did not want to hear vomit spewed.
Posted by:FWBNovember 13, 2008 8:34:38 AMRespond ^
Do you mean Catastrophic Evolution or Darwinian evolution? The problem is the Darwin family starting in the 18th century through to grandson Charles Darwin in the nineteenth used the spaghetti method to try out theories that would allow banning Christians from schools.
Darwinian evolution is based on the creationist science of animal husbandry and is not fast enough to explain spicy formation. Darwin never did figure out how to eliminated interbreeding with the old population as required. That the Christians object to teaching a hypothesis that failed when tested with a score of years when it was first proposed by a rabid Atheist. The only working hypothesis to day is that super volcanoes go of every one hundred thousand years or so, killing populations across continents and introducing mutation-causing chemicals into the environment. This is still a hypothesis, not yet a theory but has not been proven false.
Posted by:AvitarNovember 13, 2008 8:52:10 AMRespond ^
mb says:
"We have the next 4 years to listen to media like the ones below, with little to no challenges."

Oh, you mean what Bush implemented for the past 8 years?? Get a grip. Oh and be sure to rush out and buy more guns on the fear that Obama is going to take them away.
Grow up people. I expect this fear behavior from my 5 yr old,not adults.
Posted by:JMNovember 13, 2008 9:44:30 AMRespond ^
Will the Fairness Doctrine apply to BET?

I was watching BET one time and it was all negroes all the time. I didn't see one white person on there.

That should be illegal. It gives the impression that negroes make up more that the 13% of the population that they do.
Posted by:Gurk Steel MacGuinteyNovember 13, 2008 10:05:22 AMRespond ^
Re: Are the Dems Plotting to Hush Rush?

Gosh! We can only hope so. The Fairness Doctrine was an attempt to balance the news presented to the American people.

The Great Media Consolidation that took place, now nearly a decade ago, pretty much did away with dissenting voices and reason. 99% of the news media is decidedly right wing Conservative.

For us aging Baby Boomers, we remember a time when there was balance in the media. We also are aware of these past years of Right Wing dominance across all spectrums of available media.

I would present to you that after the past forty years of a dominant GOP (couldn't resist doing that) media onslaught, that America is more than ready for a reprise of the Fairness Doctrine to bring both "fairness" and truthfulness back to the discussions at large.

Sadly, the right wing media push is all those borne post “Baby Boomer” era have ever known. They wouldn’t know the truth if it fell in their laps and called them “Mama”!

The right wing message so dominant thru every day of their short lives.

Fairness Doctrine? Damn right and right now!

It’s time the lies of the right wing are called out in real time. The reign of right wing media these past decades smacks of Communism. Might as well be Stalin or Khrushchev operatives acting as Editor and Publisher of all the news that meets a rigid Communist\Conservative dictate.

This used to be a Democracy, damn it!

Get with the mainstream mandate the recent election defined as the will of the people. Or, simply stated, get the [deleted] out of the way!

I remain BoogerP Stewelz, one old pissed off American.
USAF
379th Bomb Wing
1968 – 1972
Posted by:BoogerP StewelzNovember 13, 2008 10:24:39 AMRespond ^
Maybe you should tell Chuck Schumer that this is much ado about nothing.

http://thehill.com/leading-the -news/schumer-defends-fairness -doctrine-as-fair-and-balanced-2008-11-04.html
Posted by:Tim EimillerNovember 13, 2008 11:01:10 AMRespond ^
As one of the First members of the VRWC, I must respond!

Do any liberals remember Air America? A nationwide broadcast of liberal thought and nothing but liberal thought. It failed and not just a nationwide failure, it failed in San Francisco, where over 85% of the people are either Democrats or further left. Now if a Liberal Talk Radio station can’t succeed in San Francisco, what will radio audiences do in a Conservative area?

As for Rush, ban him from broadcast radio and he will just move to Satellite, just like that liberal Howard Sterns. And Rush would have a bigger potential audience than he has now.

One thing that too many forget, radio stations play who gets the audience! So if a liberal talker get less audience, the ad revenue goes down and the stations loses money. If the Fairness Doctrine passes, I fear many radio stations will shutdown nationwide, since the audiences will leave them. Just like they did for Air America.

So please pass the “Fairness Doctrine” and the right wing will have the tools to get rid of the liberals on TV. Oprah, along with Montel and Jerry Springer and Ellen. And The View would have to get rid of one of three liberal gals and put on another conservative gal. Great fun for all, after all isn’t fairness what you want?

Red and Blue states makes so much sense. Red Staters are the Redneck, we just want to be left alone to life our life the way we want to. Blue Staters are the Blue Bloods, they know that their way is best for everyone and if only everyone would do like they say, then the world would be a wonderful place. All that is needed is for the Conservatives to become mindless drones, and the blue’s would be so happy.

If Obama election was a Landslide with 360 Electoral votes, what was Ronald Regan’s election with 525 Electoral Votes, total Continental Shift?

Lastly the Washington Post has just admitted that it was Biased in favor of Obama, wow what a story. Now when the rest of the Liberal newspaper tells why in the past 24 years, they have never found a republican to support, they can report why they are biased.


Posted by:Dave November 13, 2008 12:03:10 PMRespond ^
All of you neo-liberal gas bags are the same. Blah, Blah, Blah. You won because of the global market shift, which, even though a majority of people cared for the McCain, Sarah Palin ticket, mostly due to Palin's extensive leadership ability, the global economic issues overshadowed their real message of change, as versus the fake Obama canned message.
Posted by:deaneNovember 13, 2008 3:31:26 PMRespond ^
Why do you lie in the face of overwhelming evidence? They have admitted to wanting to do exactly that. Why is it when someone has a different opinion you call them names and try to shut them up? I thought that the definition of liberal was one who was open to all points of view and respectful of those that differ with you. All I see from your side is hatred and willingness to destroy anyone to achieve your goals. Unless we all learn to cooperate there will be another civil war.
Posted by:MaxNovember 13, 2008 4:52:44 PMRespond ^
Dearest Roscoe,
the only thing that swayed the vote was the global economic slowdown and the climate of fear created by the democratic party and their Acorn allies seeking to railroad the election. This great nation of ours, at least the Real American parts of it are still center right and the democrats should abide by the will of the American People and should not push the envelope to the left or they may find that they will lose votes, since the majority of voters in the u.s. supported the Republican Party until the global economic slowdown changed the game. President Bush's policies saved America from the major effects of the economic slowdown, but the democrats reaped the benefit.
Posted by:deaneNovember 13, 2008 5:59:26 PMRespond ^
Dave, Max, and deane:

You three perfectly, and comically, illustrate how the Republican party has sunk into obscurity. You're so far out of touch with reality, yet you're convinced otherwise.

America is and always has been a Liberal nation - democracy, slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights, environmentalism, gay rights, and now a black president.

America has led the way on all of these issues. But you three probably would vote against all of them, just like the "independent-thinking" conservatives before you.

As MLK said, and I paraphrase: The ark of history bends toward justice.

You're dinosaurs. Either get with the program or America's moving on without you, or the Republican party.
Posted by:ClunkerNovember 14, 2008 10:37:33 AMRespond ^
"The reign of right wing media these past decades smacks of Communism. Might as well be Stalin or Khrushchev operatives acting as Editor and Publisher of all the news that meets a rigid Communist\Conservative dictate."

So let's get the government and courts to decide on what's fair on tv and the radio? That is a greater threat to our nation than any idiot's demagoguery.

Agree with Stella Ray here: :"What is important is that the msm get off its false equivalency kick and begin to report and question, rather than mediate pro and con pundits. That means when self oriented bloviacs attempt to spread lies, the msm does its research and separates fact from fiction."
Posted by:JDNovember 14, 2008 10:56:58 AMRespond ^
Freedom to voice an opinion is desirable. What is not desirable is corporate ownership of the media. There needs to be some way to keep ownership of the media in more hands. As recently as 20 years ago, there were 400 companies that owned radio stations. Now there are six conglomerates. Clear Channel Communications has some 1,225 affiliates. General Electric owns an entire network of TV stations, and according to Wikipedia is the third largest media conglomerate in the world. We would be foolish to expect anything other than corporate-filtered, corporate-sanctioned news from these sources. Media ownership needs to be carefully watched. Strong opinions are desirable, including the Rush Limbaughs. Ownership of media needs to be in as many different hands as possible.
Posted by:David SteeleNovember 14, 2008 1:58:08 PMRespond ^
Clunker you prove my point. You immediately insult my post and try to say that what I think is not important.
I will tell you this, you are not going
to be able to force others, through fiat or imprisonment, to give up their rights. Your own arrogance will be your downfall.
Posted by:MaxNovember 14, 2008 3:29:20 PMRespond ^
Clunker,
You are a perfect example of the partison vitrialic hate mongering noninclusiveness that is the hallmark of the mean spirited democratic party. It is plain that, in your view, either we join you in your marxist economic and social takeover of the country or we do not exist. This is what the country is coming to, the end of democracy for the communist values of Hitler and the Nazi's.
Posted by:deaneNovember 14, 2008 7:22:52 PMRespond ^
The Congressional Democrats may reenact the Fairness Doctrine, and if they do, Obama will sign it. However, I suspect he won't be pushing for it since it is only relevant to declining media. It is far more likely that Obama will push for new kinds of content control that will apply to internet, broadcast, print, and everything else as well. If you want to shut down right wing propaganda, just outlaw their ideology outright, and impose severe penalties on its dissemination. This is a lot more direct and efficient at hushing your most dangerous political opponents. Europe and China do it, and I suspect Obama will too.
Posted by:Andrew PNovember 16, 2008 12:42:33 PMRespond ^
There are RNC Talking Point stations in every market in the US. Have a listen. There's no true conservatism, it's just a repeat of what the national party wants them to say. Since less than half the country believes this dribble, I believe that this involves heavy payola all around.

However, these stations have become a major force in US opinion and elections. Listen to the stations, and then listen to your "conservative" friends repeat the same talking points, the same day.

Bring back the FD - as soon as possible. Democracy requires it!
Posted by:Logan WatersNovember 18, 2008 7:12:01 AMRespond ^
THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO CONTROL THE WORLD BY USING THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS MONEY. BOY, ARE WE STUPID. BETTER KEEP RUSH ON THE AIR IF YOU LIKE THE TRUTH.
Posted by:BUM CATNovember 19, 2008 8:54:38 AMRespond ^
BUM CAT,
THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO CONTROL THE WORLD BY BOMBING INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN. AND THEN THEY LOST THE ELECTION AND NOTHING THEY SAY MATTERS NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE IRRELEVANT. BOY ARE WE STUPID. BETTER KEEP BUSH IN THE WHITE HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN TOTALLY DESTROY WHAT IS LEFT.

Posted by:deaneNovember 19, 2008 7:22:37 PMRespond ^
This Republican fear mongering looks more like a preemptive strike against the fairness doctrine that real fear.

The right wing talk show folks use the oldest form of rabble rousing, namely us and them. Find an enemy and then stoke the fears of your followers against him.

Sooner or later they will destruct. Perhaps sooner if President Obama continues to take away their more moderate listeners.

Then perhaps even Rush will have to resort to telling the truth, maybe...
Posted by:MakaainanaNovember 20, 2008 10:30:36 AMRespond ^
Freedom of the press is important. Now folks have to learn that so is Truth.
Posted by:Hawaiian styleNovember 20, 2008 10:33:30 AMRespond ^
Considering the fact that most popular culture-books, movies, magazines tv etc.,lean to the left it's mighty disturbing that the fairness doctrine is even being considered. There seems to be nothing remotely "fair" where libs are concerned.
Posted by:KathyNovember 21, 2008 6:50:43 AMRespond ^
Rush Limbaugh has America's elderly population worked into a fear frenzy. My 76 year old mother is convinced Obama is Hitler. Remember, during the Bush Administration, Rush and all the other right-wing radicals constantly preached that every American must be respectful (and never question!) to Bush simply because he was President? I'm sure Crazy McCain Rally Lady is a devout Rush and Fox News fan. It is, in my opinion, criminal to work the masses into a hateful frenzy that could result in attempts on the life of our new, fairly elected, President-Elect.
Posted by:APNovember 21, 2008 4:46:20 PMRespond ^
Lets bring back the Fairness Doctrine.Conservative radio jocks will not know what to do when a liberal talk radio jock has something good to say.
Posted by:George WallNovember 21, 2008 7:53:39 PMRespond ^
The point is that liberal shows never last on the radio. If station is compelled to lose money by trying to be "fair" and keep liberal programming that doesn't pay.. then that's the end of free market. And the end of the stations that can't pay their way when forced to basically air stuff out of "fairness" that loses them money. The government just doesn't need to regulate everything. Market forces do... Will they force a supermarket to carry stuff that doesn't sell? Will they force newspapers to endorse both candidates in a media world that clearly favors the democratic candidates? I think NOT!
Posted by:Lisa JohnsonNovember 22, 2008 1:55:04 PMRespond ^
If the Fairness Doctrine were reinstated it would not push any Talk Show hosts off the air. From what I understand there is no talk of 'equal time' in the doctrine.
Posted by:chuck cirinoNovember 22, 2008 2:07:11 PMRespond ^
Just turn off the radio if you don't like what's being said. Let the public decide.
Posted by:BluebirdNovember 23, 2008 4:54:16 AMRespond ^
There needs to be a fairness doctrine. Radio is mostly owned by a few giant companies, and these people use it to both decide which music will be "The next big hit" and to fill the radio with propaganda aimed at the lower classes.


A fairness doctrine can force alternative views on, ones blocked by the big companies and the toads they call "Hosts". It can let new music acts get played on the Radio and if they are liked by the people, they become hits, not the companies.


Think about YouTube. Few of us could be the next "Left wing opposite of Michael Savage" but many of us could make sporadic online 'radio' broadcasts with easy to use and cheap software tools. I use Magix software, for instance. We could then apply to get on the air. These big blowhards will be buried in a sea of other voices.
Posted by:BenNovember 23, 2008 4:15:12 PMRespond ^
I came across this quote and would be interested in what you think. ... "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948. [ This is good if you accept socialism, not if you prefer.capitalism. ]
Posted by:j.turnerNovember 23, 2008 4:45:36 PMRespond ^
It's typical of socialists to try to silence opposing voices. Obama and a democrat controlled congress will almost certainly shut down talk radio.

Hopefully their reach won't extend to the internet, where Conservatism can live on when the New York Times takes the name it should already have: Pravda.
Posted by:DanielNovember 23, 2008 7:20:00 PMRespond ^
Who cares about the wing-nut trash Limbag and Handily peddle? If the millions who do listen actually believe their diatribes, no one is going to change their opinions. Let'em babble. When Obama's first term is finished, Intelligent Americans will realize that just maybe Republicans will be forced to tell the truth for a change. Although I doubt repuglicans will ever tell the complete truth, it's not in their nature.
Posted by:JohnNovember 29, 2008 2:07:04 PMRespond ^
Hey, the "minority party" doesn't have to LET the Dems have anything. With the majority we have, we'll just correct the crap the the resident moron created, and all will be well.
Posted by:JohnNovember 29, 2008 2:11:31 PMRespond ^
Why would the right wingers make such a big fuss about the fairness doctrine? According to thier own praopaganda the "drive by media","liberal mainstream media" are constantly against conservative ideas and only trash anything republican or conservative.
We are lead to believe Rush and Hannity are in a constant stuggle to right the lies and slander of liberal media that has invaded the hearts and minds of Americans.
Shouldn't the conservative talkers embrase the fairness doctrine so they will also have a voice in America?
Posted by:drive by facistNovember 29, 2008 3:40:25 PMRespond ^
You liberal savages should be defending freedom of expression. You should be defending Rush if you had any integrity. But guess what? In my years of life I have found that the left is the vile force against free speech, not the far right. You want another Amerian revolution? Then try and silence speech!
Posted by:Ames TiedemanDecember 14, 2008 8:46:31 AMRespond ^
Just do a little background on Karl Rove. That college dropout is leading the right. No wonder this country is "messed" up. Thanks Karl. Could you please dodge the draft, use false ID, and flat out lie to the american people a bit more?
Posted by:Tired of the RightDecember 16, 2008 11:24:37 PMRespond ^
Please get an education, think about what you are trying to say. This is not a football game where cheerleaders yell across a field about how their team should win. Eventhough they are down by 54 points in the 4th quarter. Or is it Ames? Go fellate Karl Rove in your bomb shelter.
Posted by:EducationDecember 16, 2008 11:28:17 PMRespond ^
AS Stephanie Mencimer says, the Fairness Doctrine made a certain amount of sense when access to big audiences on public airwaves was a scarce commodity, but that isn't the case anymore; with public broadcasting and new technologies (like this internets thing I keep hearing about) there's no danger that one side will monopolize public discourse and therefore no serious interest in reviving the F.D.

Let the conservatives have talk radio; they like to be told what to think. The rest of us can have the internet and make up our own minds.
Posted by:A HermitJanuary 5, 2009 8:39:43 AMRespond ^

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