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Change the Pentagon Doesn't Believe In

Washington Dispatch: President-elect Obama wants to slash wasteful military spending. To Pentagon bureaucrats, defense contractors, and congressional porkers, this means war.

November 21, 2008


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As the Obama transition continues, there's much speculation as to whom the president-elect will ask to head the Pentagon and whether he might invite Robert Gates to stay on. Less attention, however, has been paid to a critical, but related, issue: Will Gates or his successor be able to make good on Obama's promise to cut "tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending" from the military budget? On the campaign trail, Obama frequently cautioned that changing the federal government will not be easy. Perhaps nowhere will this be truer than in the Pentagon's ossified bureaucracy. Reforming it may be the toughest job in Washington. In pursuing this mission, Obama and his man (or woman) at the Pentagon will face opposition from entrenched interests in the uniformed military and private industry, as well as on Capitol Hill.

The Pentagon is used to getting what it wants, as evidenced by its recent spending spree. The "base" defense budget, which excludes the expense of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, has grown 40 percent since 2001 to an estimated $518.3 billion requested for fiscal year 2009. But this doesn't tell the whole story. If you figure in other military expenditures, such as those incurred by the departments of Homeland Security, Energy, Veterans Affairs, and the numerous defense "supplemental" bills that the Bush administration has relied on to fund its foreign adventures, US defense spending stands at a staggering $863.7 billion. This exceeds the collective annual defense spending of the world's militaries combined.

The issue, though, is not only how much the Pentagon is spending, but the bang it's getting for all these bucks. Much of its budget is tied up in big-ticket, high-tech weapons programs, such as the Air Force's F-22 fighter, the Army's "Future Combat Systems" program, and the Navy's next-generation fleet of destroyers and coastal combat vessels. All of these programs are behind schedule and over budget—and of questionable relevance to the needs of today's military.

Take the F-22. The Air Force, which began developing the fighter in 1986, originally intended to buy more than 700 of them to replace its aging fleet of F-15s and F-16s. By 2000, cost overruns led the Pentagon to halve its order to 346. But in 2005, almost 20 years and $40 billion later, the request was lowered again to just 180 aircraft, the consequence of lengthy delays and unanticipated development costs that had pushed the price per airplane from an earlier projection of $184 million to $355 million. To fill the void in inventory, the Air Force has now begun developing the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which critics say promises a repeat of the F-22 fiasco. "The last I heard, Al Qaeda doesn't have an air force," says Winslow Wheeler, director of the Straus Military Reform Project at Washington's Center for Defense Information and the editor of the forthcoming book America's Defense Meltdown: Pentagon Reform for President Obama and the New Congress. The F-22, which he describes as a "dog" on performance (more fragile and less maneuverable than Vietnam-era fighters), "is ridiculously expensive, and its huge cost prevents you from buying a respectable inventory of them."

But focusing on individual boondoggles like the F-22 is not the solution, says Wheeler. Instead, if Obama hopes to switch things up, he and his aides must understand that cost overruns and development delays at the Pentagon are not the exception but the rule. "I'm all for getting rid of the garbage, but if we simply trot out a cut list, we're going to get killed," Wheeler says. "The advocates [for each weapons program] inside the Pentagon will go on full alert. They'll activate their porker friends inside Congress, and that will be the end of it." Rather, he suggests, change rests on getting decision makers the real, unvarnished information they need to grapple with structural problems inherent in the defense acquisitions system.

Getting that information is not as easy as it might seem. According to retired Marine Lt. Colonel John Sayen, a former Pentagon analyst, the Defense Department's procurement bureaucracy is practiced at pushing its wish list through Congress "by downplaying costs and/or exaggerating benefits" and "quickly building a support network of vested interests to lock in a front-loaded decision before its true costs or performance become apparent." In other words, military procurement is an institutionalized scam. Even when problems surface, Congress rarely interferes. Assembly of the F-22 alone involves spending in 44 states, says Wheeler, and "people on Capitol Hill are leaving drool trails in the hallways to buy more."

Still, there are signs that some in the Pentagon understand that the free-spending days of the past may be ending. The Defense Business Board, a Pentagon advisory panel that includes about 20 private-sector executives, recently prepared a series of briefings for the incoming Obama administration, highlighting the Defense Department's runaway budget and acknowledging that it cannot continue. "All indications are that Department is entering a prolonged period of fiscal constraint in a tough economy with deficits increasing and competitive spending pressures," one of the briefing documents reads. "Business as usual is no longer an option. The current and future fiscal environments facing the Department demand bold action."

Will the Obama administration be the one to provide it? The forces of status quo are well positioned within the Pentagon and Congress, so much will depend on whether Obama picks a Pentagon chief who is willing to take on the bureaucracy while the nation is still prosecuting two wars. Among the people rumored to be in line for the job is Richard Danzig, who served as secretary of the navy during the latter years of the Clinton administration. While in that position, Danzig did not earn a reputation as an opponent of Pentagon bloat. "He was a mess as secretary of the Navy," says Wheeler. "That's not the kind of help President Obama will need to clean out the stables." The question remains, when Obama's agenda of change meets the Pentagon, which side will win out?

Bruce Falconer is a reporter in Mother Jones' Washington, DC, bureau.



 

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"...a staggering $863.7 billion. This exceeds the collective annual defense spending of the world's militaries combined"

It's not cheap being the international bully! Even arms sales haven't helped. Eisenhower warned us not to let the military industrial complex get out of hand...

Didn't the Roman Empire run into the same problem trying to control the world? And wasn't it Constantine who conquered Rome? What will happen to us if we continue on that self-destructive path?

The United States simply can't afford to be in the "regime change business" to satisfy the interests of international corporate busine$$. The Pentagon and the CIA both need to have their budgets cut.
Posted by:Duncan BruceNovember 21, 2008 12:49:30 PMRespond ^
Being in the military, I find it mind-baffling that our budget exceeds the military budget of the rest of the world, yet the individual servicemember is frequently denied quality health care, any kind of mental health care, and quality equipment (many soldiers buy their own boots, packs, etc., because the stuff they give us falls apart). Not to mention the extreme downsizing of the Air Force and Navy in a time of war, and the fact that the first three enlisted ranks are paid less than the $25,000 poverty rate - these are guys and gals that get shot at for a living! Whatever this money is being spent on, it is not being spent on the individual servicemembers!
Posted by:Drunk PhilosopherNovember 21, 2008 1:16:15 PMRespond ^
Not only is the Pentagon guilty of spending and producing more weapons of mass destruction than the rest of the world combined, but also it sell to all sides in bazars each year and the only condition is that the buyers must havc enough money. The prices are kept so high that the workers cannot afford them. If America was to check out the terrorism that America finances each and every year I think that they would in all honesty have to find the pentagon itself is the source of global state terrorism and the biggest war criminal on earth according to the Nuremeburg Trials and the Geneva conventions of war which stipulate that the planning and doing of aggressive war is the supreme international crime on earth and it is that wheter Germany does it or America does it. Materialism speaks that Peace on Earth equates to disarmment which ends the present terror everywhere. The fact that aggressive war is the worst terror is the reason the war to end all wars was fought. End pollution wars, not endless wars for more pollution
Posted by:ellyNovember 21, 2008 1:34:18 PMRespond ^
Heck it's not just the Pentagon, the few times it has decided to cut certain weapons systoms that were not working out people in Congress pushed them thru anyway. All the systems in the article are sapping us of national treasure, as a Navy officer I think that the DDX is a waste (which congress kept alive)and that the LCS has major problems, very expensive with little combat value and many vulnerabilities. The F22 and F35 are systmes that have little application in any projected war scenario. What a waste of taxpayer money while we are both at war and experiencing large economic problems. The lobbyists and congress are in this as well and God help us.
Posted by:navy dude November 21, 2008 1:55:30 PMRespond ^
I don't understand why a serious look at cutting military spending seems to be "off the table", even when supposedly 'progressive' Democrats get an unprecedented vote of public confidence. It's not pure coincidence that we've been borrowing & spending military dollars like drunken sailors on shore leave, and now the economy is tanking as our bills start to come due. Military spending certainly ain't the only thing to blame -- but nor should it get the free pass from the corporate media that it seems to get.

Enough. Let's start realizing that 'peace dividend' promised 15 years ago ...
Posted by:Donny-DonNovember 21, 2008 2:34:09 PMRespond ^
"The F22 and F35 are systmes that have little application in any projected war scenario. " - The amount of FUD here is overwhelming. Try Wikipedia.
Posted by:Crypt2121November 21, 2008 6:54:39 PMRespond ^
Your article is laughable. Of course the F-22 costs 300 million a copy when you factor in development costs. That's what happens when you scale the buy back from 750 to 183 units and delay the program by 48 months. The current incremental cost of each f-22 is about 140 million. It would be at about 80 million had the original numbers been procured and the schedule adhered to.

If it where not for systems like the F-22 we would be dealing with threats far more potent than terrorists.
Posted by:Common senseNovember 21, 2008 7:41:39 PMRespond ^
To Drunk Philosopher: The low enlisted ranks may make only $25K or less, but they are also fed and housed and provided free medical care (for self and family) by Uncle Sam. The real crime I see is if they are not equipped/trained properly for war.
Posted by:KATENovember 21, 2008 8:26:40 PMRespond ^
To Kate: Are you in the military? Are you enlisted in the military? Do you know anyone of lower enlisted rank in the military? You are repeating the same tired lines that our officers and elected officials feed the public to assuage their guilt every time the ridiculous poverty of the enlisted force is brought up. Unless you have been in my situation, where you had to apply for food stamps and WIC to feed your family, and even then I often had to buy groceries on credit, while living in a government house infected with mold and insects, with the free medical care that has ignored or mistreated almost every medical problem I or my family has had, please do not try to tell me how great the United States government treats its enlisted force. Oh, and all that is the wonderful life I live at home, not while I'm getting shot at in the desert.
Posted by:Drunk PhilosopherNovember 21, 2008 9:27:24 PMRespond ^
Miniaturization is the answer. For the price of one F22 that couldn't hit a terrorist accurately one could by thousands or even millions of drones that could use swarm intelligence to spot and attack terrorists, controlled safely from a base any place in the world. One of them could fly right up a terrorist's a$$ and blow them to a righteously ugly death by toxic shock.

Next time I will tell you how to miniaturize soldiers.
Posted by:JohnNovember 22, 2008 4:09:56 AMRespond ^
Clearly, taking on the Pentagon will be the most formidable of tasks. Yet, I believe if there is a way, President Obama will find it. If this nation can begin a economic turn-around the place to start is Defense. There is an incredible amount of wasteful spending, cost over-runs and needless expenitures which have pork written all over them. In a time when the Cold War has been long over, high tech war toys for the military are pointless and needless. We have to find reasons to build down instead of up. With a budget of over 500 billion dollars it is absolutely irresponsible to continue the type of spending we have seen. There are no countries in the world which have the high tech delivery punch that the U.S. has and where is it going to be used and against who. This is where that idea comes into play that if we don't have a war every ten to fifteen years we have to invent one. In order to rebound from the economic morass what we need is peace. Look at the
Chinese.
Posted by:robert machadoNovember 22, 2008 5:11:18 AMRespond ^
Yes- The military spends WAY too much money and does not seem to be willing to focus on needs that are more critical such as adequate health care for soldiers and their families.

However, I have loved military aircraft since I was a boy so I do have a soft spot for knowing about their capabilities and general performance. That doesn't mean that I believe we should bankrupt our country to buy them.

My point is this: "The F-22, which he describes as a "dog" on performance (more fragile and less maneuverable than Vietnam-era fighters)

I find this laughable! Two of these things can kick the crap out of an entire squadron of F-15s. In fact, one Discovery channel show pointed out that the F-22 is so good that it is almost too much. In other words, we don't need something so advanced because it is so much better than what we have now. Which I can see as a valid point.

I just wanted to point out that anyone that says that the F-22 is somehow outclassed by Vietnam era planes is a complete idiot when it comes to military aircraft.

Posted by:KarlNovember 22, 2008 5:42:27 AMRespond ^
Karl, you might be right -- and wrong -- about the "dog" thing. The article said the F-22 is more fragile and less maneuverable than Vietnam-era fighters. I would find this disappointing, given hopes for the plane, but your crap-kicking example doesn't exactly counter the statement.

Given its much better stealth and a full missile load, I'd expect the F-22s to outshoot a flight of F-15s. The Eagle is a radar flare; no stealth whatsoever. If the Vultures shot from substantially on the deck and on a straight-in vector, to mask their open bay doors, they might each get off several missiles while still outside of effective targeting range for the Eagles. Rinse and repeat.

But note that the above might be true, and still the plane's durability and maneuverability might suck; which of course you don't have to deal with, unless you get into a dog fight...

But if they seriously couldn't turn with a Phantom or A-6, that's a matter of concern, to say the least. The Phantom was a cow.

I'd like to see where that came from. Links?
Posted by:Dan MortensonNovember 22, 2008 6:16:19 AMRespond ^
First I would like to say that I believe those in the Military are basically honest, conscientious and dedicated to the security of the Country.

However, just as in civilian corporations periodic re-evaluation, restructuring, cutting back is a NORMAL process needed to keep competitive.

I believe that in any organization the Peter Principal applies to it as well as its people.

I know, I can hear many saying that defense of our Nation never gets to take a holiday, and that we, DOD, are on duty all the time. I do not think that line of logic obviates the need for periodic reassessment and evaluation.

Show me any organization that does not need to do periodic overhauls. Human nature in corporations builds mini empires. Human nature in corporations says my division is most important. Look at the continual conflict between the scientist/researcher that says, "I create the new product. Without me..." And the sales force that says, "Yeah but without me selling it we would go broke."

Civilian control of the military is good. Outside review creates balance.
Posted by:Hawaiian styleNovember 22, 2008 10:31:17 AMRespond ^
I really don't care who runs the Pentagon as long as the Pentagon is run by a President and not vice-versa-When the U.S. was attacked on 911, it was a covert operation! We responded with an all out military effort instead of responding with an improved Intelligence Community. Why, the Pentagon had no intention of giving up any part of their Budget. Bill Clinton had balanced the Budget by closing Bases and the Pentagon now has over 800 Bases and a budget that was inconceivable under Clinton-Time to rein in the Military and use more finess!
Posted by:Mr IndependentNovember 22, 2008 5:50:29 PMRespond ^
If americans don't have a job, can't pay bills, house foreclosed on, no medical insurance, no time/money for vacations, can't buy a new car.... Americans won't care if the defense budget is cut as long as they can keep their lifestyle. The defense budget will be cut or the defense industry will assassinate Obama. I hope it's the first. Remember, Lockheed security guard Eugene Thane Ceasar assassinated RFK.

"The individual generally cited by most investigators as actually having pulled the trigger on Robert Kennedy was a white supremacist named Thane Eugene Caesar who worked for Lockheed's Burbank facility, and specifically worked in the top secret area associated with the CIA's U-2 project. Oswald also was affiliated with the U-2. Caesar was working as a security guard for a security service in the Ambassador Hotel the night of the shooting. He was a documented white-supremacist and, again, he worked in the Lockheed Burbank facility and another engineer in Lockheed Burbank was Richard Gernt Butler, one of whose top lieutenants was Keith Gilbert, whose name was linked in L.A.P.D. files to Michael Wayne, a Sirhan double, who was in the Ambassador Hotel."

Posted by:dArKeRNovember 23, 2008 10:56:56 AMRespond ^
Here is my top ten list on what should be done the first year.
http://www.g2mil.com/FY2010.htm
Posted by:Carlton MeyerNovember 23, 2008 11:55:47 PMRespond ^
The worst program by far is rarely mentioned. The V-22 costs twice as much as similar-sized modern helos, but carries only-quarter their payload and has less range. It has 30% greater speed, but is also much more fragile and dangerous in the VTOL mode.

http://www.g2mil.com/scandal.htm

Its so bad that many Marine Generals secretly want the civlians to cancel it so they can buy helos without admitting to this huge failure.
Posted by:Carlton MeyerNovember 24, 2008 12:00:47 AMRespond ^
Re: Duncan Bruce, you are certainly right about the need for cuts in both the CIA and the Pentagon budget. or the first year to keep the squealing by the in place pigs to a minimum it must be limited to a cut of half the first year and then for the next ten years the cuts should be in the twenty percent range. If these pompous mil/intel types can't learn to live on a rational budget, they will need to seek employment at Arbys or McDonalds where they will get paid what they truly are worth! When I read about lwer level officers making $8000.00 a month I ask, "for what?" The military has a "no cost is too much" attitude that our country can not afford. They cound not get armor and kevlar to the troops on the ground in Iraq but damn sure made all their payments to Northrupt and Halliburton. What a ripoff.
Posted by:TedNovember 24, 2008 8:39:12 AMRespond ^
When you take in account the obscured military spending hidden in other departments like department of energy and interior and so forth, the military budget balloons to well over a trillion dollars. Plus when military contractors are making Twenty-five percent profits there is little hope for the spending to stop or even reduce. PACs and SIGs will make sure of that. Representatives aren't going to rock the boat for fear of losing military contracts in their constituencies. There's little hope for this country. We're way past the tipping point where rallies or demonstrations could even make a difference. So, American sheep, just shut up and take it. No sense in bleating at the impending bankruptcy and inevitable doom of our democracy. Everything is already set in motion
Posted by:EddieNovember 24, 2008 9:42:55 AMRespond ^
Constantine was a Roman general who consolidated his power in Rome by defeating all other Roman contenders for power, so to say he "conquered" Rome like the later Goths and Lombards is false and misleading.
Posted by:Charlemagne CarlsonNovember 24, 2008 11:03:37 AMRespond ^
That's the problem, yet when budget cuts are put forward, everyone claims that the troops will be neglected. The problem is - and has always been - that politicans care little about the troops. Their interest is in getting re-elected or "winning" wars. So it sounds much "cooler" to talk about advancements in military weaponry than to say that they need money to outfit the actual soldiers that are doing their dirty work. I pity the military families that continually get shafted when it comes time to coughing up some green to make their lives a little better and easier.
Posted by:reader110November 24, 2008 1:21:18 PMRespond ^
Having served 25 years total of military service, I can verify what you are saying. I remember when we had to hurry up and order new desks, jackets, etc.,etc. so we could use up all the money that was funded for us instead of turning it back to the Treasury. I was enlisted and in 1956 was forced to "crawl" to my squadron commander to beg for 25.00 to feed my family a Christmas dinner. He begrudgingly approved my loan from the AF aid society after puting in writing that he believed my shortfall was due to wasting money. Not an easy life then, and not an easy life now. Those kids deserve better. If you don't know, don't write an opinion.
Posted by:RVGrandpaNovember 24, 2008 1:23:03 PMRespond ^
Let's not forget the British Empire and how they ended.a few years ago I have said that America is taking the route that was taking by the British and some day we'll end up just like them.ther's a saying;"you can lead the horse to the water,but you can't force him to drink it.we'll never force the people of Iraq & Afghanistan to eccept the occupation of their countries.we're going through a very bad time & I do believe that the
$10 Billions we spend on useless wars should be spent here in America.
Posted by:massimoNovember 24, 2008 1:40:06 PMRespond ^
Maybe Obama should appoint McCain to this. Gates and McCain can split duties, but McCain will be given a dollar amount to cut. Oh, and since he knows how to get Osama he should be in charge of that too.
Posted by:GwenNovember 24, 2008 1:52:57 PMRespond ^
Who noticed that a week before Congress (first?) voted money it didn't have for bailing out the financial sector, to great controversy, it voted an equal amount for weapons, R&D, and all the rest of the accoutrements of state-sponsored violence - with almost no accompanying deliberation or media coverage.
So how about a cabinet level office of peace, much as we have one of war? Or two, if we count energy. Or... to at least bring a little balance, perhaps some discussion?
Brings up the whole issue that goes by the name of the military-industrial-Congressional complex. Very enlightening to read the work of Seymour Melman in this regard. I first became familiar with him twenty years ago having been much influenced by his book, "The Permanent War Economy"; his last, "After Capitalism", published in 2001 a couple years before he died, is definitely worth reading. I hope some of you do, if you haven't already.
Posted by:CivilCivilianNovember 24, 2008 1:53:45 PMRespond ^
In the mid-80's Northrop designed and built the F-20 Tigershark with their own funding. No one in the military was remotely interested in this turnkey fighter, as they wanted to pour billion$ into developing the F-22. Our government is corrupt. Our military is corrupt. Nothing will ever change.
Posted by:VidulousNovember 24, 2008 3:20:32 PMRespond ^
To Common sense:
Did you know that one of the general
come out screaming about the need for more of new planes & then we found out he was working for on behalf of the mikitary industrial complex !
Posted by:massimoNovember 24, 2008 5:56:57 PMRespond ^
I bought a small, two-wheel Ammo Trailer at an auction at Sheppard Air Force Base around 12-13 years ago. There was an order sheet included that shows that the U.S. Gov. pad $5,400.00 for it. I bought it for $250.00. Does this give you an idea of the waste. I think the trailer should sell for around $2,500.00 on the Public Marketplace.
Posted by:Don HoffmanNovember 24, 2008 6:15:58 PMRespond ^
The defense budget is the biggest gravy train of all time. Yes, corporate welfare, that's what it is. Year after year it gets increased and approved with nary a discussion. But when the old folks want help with the expenses for their prescriptions the sky is falling, and after endless wrangling laws are manufactured that are full of trickery and treachery. Remember the doughnut hole? A single copy of a fighter plane for 355 Dollars?! That is absolute insanity. How many more years can this country survive such corruption? Throughout history empires have fallen from their own internal rot.
Posted by:Heinz N. November 24, 2008 6:32:09 PMRespond ^
I think that giving the Penta$cam a budget 'haircut' is probably the biggest favor that Obama could do for em. Would ANYone like to theorize on the ultimate disposition of what is it now, 600 billion dollars, that's 'billion' with a 'B', writ large, BILLION dollars. Per year. SIX hundred BILLION dollars per YEAR. Let's do that again: Six HUNDRED billion DOLLARS. Per year. Annually. As in, 'whatever kind of joke the budget people are smoking, it must be pretty good, further, they are failing to observe the Basic Rule of 'puff, puff, give' so that we can see things their way, and finally, it's probably a felony just to be 'holding' THAT grade of 'stuff'.
Military overspending leads to one thing: Public corruption on a potentially very destructive scale. You put enough money on the table, and people literally lose their minds. "Why, SURE, we can get approval for 15 cases of 100% pure stealth-unobtainium butt-gaskets, NO problem!" And, why? Because when it comes budget time, Bush et. al. are there with a Big Stack of Paper, marked 'spending bill' for umpty-hundred bazillion bucks, and the Congressers are just supposed to sign their little 'x' and not ask any questions. All in the name of nashyskirty, don't-cha know, there. Well, I question the whole 9 yards. I think we need to have a military, yes, kind of stands to reason, there, in these 'interesting times'. However, I DON'T think it needs to be splattered halfway across the planet and back, 'cause it starts to stink basically like 'empire', and if you read back in history, EVERYbody hates the empire, and collectively act together to put the socio-economic/military 'smack' down on em, in the end. Plus, empires get unwieldy. Just like you're not going to choose the Griswold Family Truckster over the Fiat Spider for the slalom cone course, getting something as LARGE as our military has become to flip a 180 and respond to some new nefarious form of eeee-villll is probably quite the challenge and generally an undesirable, and fiendishly expensive enterprise.
I submit the question of whether or not it's absolutely necessary to be able to fight multiple wars simultaneously, and the second followup question of what happens when the US economy flushes itself down the toilet in the name of 'defense' and Poland forecloses on 15 of the 50 states for 30 Euros, cash or something. I think the federal budget is grossly overspent, and between run-amok publicly unaccountable 'defense' spending and entitlement and other forms of revenue ejection, we can stack up another trillion without really working at it very hard, and 'defense' isn't the only area that needs well-considered across-the-board cuts in the interest of preserving national fiscal solvency. Bush has had 6 years to nation-build Iraf. Annnnd, it hasn't really quite worked out for him/them. So, at some point, all concerned parties, there are going to have to make the deciderer of at what junc-ture it would be pru-dent to stop throwing more promissory dollars at the problem in hopes that it'll finally shut up and go away, like a Buick with a busted radiator. Let's hear it for no-holds-barred budget renegotiation, and signs that Congress and all other parties understand that people are pretty strapped out there in taxpayer-land, and if the greater part of the Con Me should happen to oh, I don't know, stall out and shut down in its' tracks, then that will raise the question of where 'the government' will raise future revenues to finance the future purchase of aforementioned rockets, bombs, hyperstealthies, butt-gaskets, not to mention salaries for sportertoops and so forth. I hope Obama brings his Return Of The Jedi(TM) red Sharpie veto pen with him to D.C., and that he and Congress and his Cabinet have a field day with the whole 9 yards, there. Might mean short shrift for some folks that are traditionally unaccustomed to it, but then they can 'feel our pain' for a change...and, maybe in the cours of all that, they can figure out how to build airplanes and other war materiel for our military in the United States again at economical prices, and we'll have seen the last of people like Boeing/Air Force contract lady and whatever other fiscal/administrative incest problems that might manifest themselves upon closer inspection, there. Smedley Butler, man, one sharp guy, war IS a racket...score one for Smedley and Eisenhower from beyond the grave, there...
Posted by:BertNovember 24, 2008 8:42:19 PMRespond ^
Good article. I hope the president elect not only cuts the military budget but also forces some morality into our military/industrial complex and survives the backlash.

Most of the arguing above is about the wallpaper design on the sinking ship.
Face it everyone. The problem doesn't lie changing what weapons are developed. The problem isn't in that the soldiers get paid squat (though that is a serious problem). It's in the lie that America is of the people, by the people and for the people. America is owned but only by the wealthy few. The ones who own the multinational corporations that direct US policies. That own Congress and the White House.
If you doubt this just look at the evidence. Over 1.5 billion spent on just the presidential election. Each and every federally politician receives campaign support from the fossil fuel industry. Lobbyists outnumber politicians hundreds to one. We invaded another nation based upon lies and it's fine. The president and vice president commit multiple acts of treason and Congress lets it go. Federal politicians openly state that payoffs, corruption, kickbacks, earmarks are all part of running a government. The evidence is too much to list here.
We're looked down upon on by these people who believe themselves to be better than we are. To be controlled, herded, used, abused, sacrificed,.... .
You're living in an empire.

If Obama can make a modest change in our military spending then great, I'm all for it but at the bottom line, it will mean very little.

Sorry, I just needed to rant this morning. My apologies for not doing it very well either.
Posted by:nakisNovember 25, 2008 4:30:33 AMRespond ^
Take a look at True Majority.org. They have an oreo cookie model that says it all. The pentagon and defense dept. are a bunch of spoiled brats.
Posted by:annaNovember 25, 2008 8:04:38 AMRespond ^
Why the hell do we fight wars? Death, destruction, maiming, psychological scars that last a lifetime -- and I'm talking about the winners. Isn't war a remnant of our animal nature? When are we going to evolve into humane humans? And I would trade half of the defense budgets over the past 60 years for social spending -- schools, hospitals, medical care, infrastructure, even seed money for alternative energy sources. I'd bet everything I have that we'd be a safer nation without this obscene spending on military [deleted].
Posted by:cjgerNovember 25, 2008 10:18:14 AMRespond ^
You Yanks are obsessed with your military might which I think is one of the causes the world finds itself in this mess. Get your GIs out of all the foreign countries (which really don't want your soldiers there anyway) and find them jobs in the US of A. Let the world go on without your meddling, domineering and interferance. YOU ARE NOT WANTED ANYWHERE.
Posted by:Hans BoekerNovember 25, 2008 3:22:46 PMRespond ^
I'm worried. John Kennedy wanted to cut the power of the military-industrial complex, too.
Posted by:James ButlerNovember 25, 2008 4:37:51 PMRespond ^
I know its kind of late in the game to post this but I thought I would anyhow to prove my point in the previous post. If a kill ratio of 108 to 0 doesn't make the F-22 Raptor a fine aircraft then I don't know what does.

During Exercise Northern Edge 2006 in Alaska in early June, the F-22 proved its mettle against as many as 40 "enemy aircraft" during simulated battles. The Raptor achieved a 108-to-zero kill ratio at that exercise. But the capabilities of the F-22 go beyond what it can do. It is also able to help other aircraft do better.

During Exercise Northern Edge 2006 in Alaska in early June, the F-22 proved its mettle against as many as 40 "enemy aircraft" during simulated battles. The Raptor achieved a 108-to-zero kill ratio at that exercise. But the capabilities of the F-22 go beyond what it can do. It is also able to help other aircraft do better.

"When you are outnumbered on the battlefield -- the F-22 helps the F-18 and the F-15s increase their performance," General Lewis said. "It gives them more situational awareness, and allows them to get their expenditures because you can't kill all these airplanes with just the weapons aboard the F-22. It takes the F-15's and F-18's weapons. It was very successful, (in its) ability to get everybody to integrate."

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123022371
Posted by:KarlNovember 25, 2008 8:45:30 PMRespond ^
If the two Gulf Wars and Afghanistan have not taught any other lesson, the fact that high dollar standoff weapons cannot get the job done when it comes to projecting power over time. The Rumsfeld wet dream of a tiny Army with a huge high tech Navy and Air Force didn't get the job done and will not in any future conflict.

If your goal is simply to destroy an area of geography and bounce rubble the smart weapons delivered from aircraft and ships over the horizon are fine. If you need to control geography, create security or suppress an insurgency only a large and capable ground force will do. That means a large, well trained and well equipped Army- exactly the opposite of what the Pentagon has been investing it's efforts and budget in.

Why does our nation have 4 Air Forces- the USAF, Army Aviation, Marine Aviation and Naval Aviation? Why does the Navy have it's own Army- the USMC, originally nothing more than Naval Infantry to be used for boarding ships and small coastal incursions? Why has the Pentagon allowed the Navy, USMC and Air Force to continue to expand their land warfare capabilities under the guise of SOCOM?

Finally, why hasn't anyone asked why an almost 2 million person force struggled to keep 150,000 or so combat forces deployed even with tens of thousands of contractors? Way too many are sitting behind desks or doing ceremonial BS when they should be training and preparing to be a flexible war-fighting force.
Posted by:David GregoryNovember 29, 2008 11:47:54 AMRespond ^
I mostly agree with the writer, however, expecting a program that is developing a new weapons system from scratch to stay on the initial budget estimate is impossible. We will no doubt throw the baby out with the bath water.
Posted by:Gary MischNovember 30, 2008 5:34:30 AMRespond ^
change in military/industrial/political complex?!? yyya. When the hell freezes over or there're no more countries to invade and occupy, or maybe the whole country REALLY goes bankrupt. whichever comes first of course.
Posted by:nickNovember 30, 2008 1:47:45 PMRespond ^
As both a former fan of the Discovery Channel and a former DOD employee (at a base tasked with actually VERIFYING the vendor claims that form the basis of most Discovery Channel material...) I have to respond to Karl's various posts. I'd be much more interested in how the F-22 survives actual live-fire testing, which is almost never done nowadays thanks not only to the cost of the tested units, but to the fact that no Pentagon project manager wants to see a substantial portion of his/her career investment coming up short in actual battlefield conditions. Exhibit A is the Navy's recently-retired F-14, which was put out to pasture thanks to its high maintenance requirements (MANY hours downtime for every flight hour) and resulting inability to maintain the operational tempo of sustained combat missions during the first Gulf War. Exhibit B is the Marine Corps' AV-8 Harrier which, despite revolutionary flight capabilities which in its day surpassed even the advances claimed by the F-22's supporters today, was later revealed by live-fire testing to be so vulnerable to ground fire that one Pentagon procurement official was quoted as saying "we never would have bought it" had the results been known prior to the procurement decision. So when reading glowing simulation results, or viewing Discovery/History/Learning Channel propaganda, don't forget to consider the source...
Posted by:NRAExpertRiflemanNovember 30, 2008 4:11:10 PMRespond ^
you need some of that to keep the businesses in operation. we just need to cut the ones who sponsor ads for war - i think they have gone overboard. the defense industry is welfare for the technical and engineering class and without them we are less capable. in an ideal situation, their talents would be turned towards space exploration and colonization and upgrading the infrastructure but war is an easier sell.
Posted by:rupert_cDecember 2, 2008 9:40:14 AMRespond ^
We could cut "defense" _and_ "intelligence" spending by 50% and still have more than adequate national security, if national security means protecting our borders and our people. But for too many people, national security means invading any country that says uncomplimentary things about us. So it goes...

So many military programs involve contractors and subcontractors in many states. Congressmen will not vote for anything that takes away those jobs in their states...never mind that those same people could be more productively employed. Just another reason why the U.S. can't compete with other countries...except with military hardware.
Posted by:koyaanisqatsiDecember 12, 2008 10:33:49 PMRespond ^
Just how the hell did you _ever_ get the idea that you would be well treated in the military? I have to say that your pay rate doesn't trouble me...room and board are paid for. True, you should get good health care, but those of us on the outside don't get good health care either. Yep. I've been in the military...I'm a Vietnam era veteran. I got into the army quickly and out more quickly (but honorably).
Posted by:koyaanisqatsiDecember 12, 2008 10:42:28 PMRespond ^

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